大家讨论以下,父母移民以后的医疗怎么弄比较好...买保险现在可不是一般的贵,而且买了好象用处也不是特别大.不买,公里医院等的时间简直叫人每法忍受..大家讨论以下把,这个是父母移民以后最严峻的一个问题了我觉得
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同问,帮顶
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How expensive is it to buy private health insurance for parents?
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别说父母看病了。我说一下我这个星期的情况。
公立医院是Hopeless的
高烧2天，咳嗽，呼吸困难，伴呕吐，还并发美妮儿综合征。跑去Monash公立医院，没有办法看啊，都是人，排到我，也快死掉了。
私立医院也不是万能的
后来问了在这里生活的鬼佬朋友，他们推荐我去Knox Private去看，我一路跑过去啊，因为号称他们收急症病人，我又买了私人保险。我到了，人确实少，排队就没有几个人，然后接待的护士态度也很好，但是说：Minimal $250,如果抽血化验得花更多。我说我有私人保险的，她说保险只cover住院。急症治疗费是不包括的。。。。
看看时间也不早了，我要是花了这个钱，等验血报告的话，我还不如挨到明天早上去看GP。
得靠平时积累好的诊所和好医生
就这样啊。。我痛苦地挨到第二天。。后来通过朋友介绍说Glen Waverley有一家诊所叫做Waverley Clinic Centre,里面是周一到周七开门，每天早上8点开到晚上8点钟，设施齐全，有针灸，有吊盐水，里面8个鬼佬医生，有一个华人医生叫做Eva Wu，竟然原来是上海人，这里拿到的GP。。我非常幸运地找到她，她帮我针灸，开了消炎药（一般鬼佬医生，是得跪着求他们才能给你开药的）。。
我说，我得情况比较特殊，有时候一下子发美妮儿症，真的等不起，她就说，下次我要是急诊，就不要预约了，让我一到，就跟Receptionist说我是Wu医生的急诊病人。。。我是何等地感动啊。。
昨天老妈陪我去，那家诊所算是设施齐全的，还有多余的病房，让我躺卧了30分钟，等头痛症状减轻才起床。
花点钱是必要的
看完之后，一共足足呆了40分钟，一般医生看只给看15分钟。我就多花了23块针灸费。其他也是Bulk Billing的。不过听Wu医生说，这个诊所都是鬼佬病人看的多，因为中国人不愿意多花一点钱。可是没有办法，我们这里医生好（8个医生，7个鬼佬，一个华人），排队时间短，设施好，花时间长（我走之前，还给我一杯温开水喝。说怕我呕吐脱水）。是一分价钱，一份服务的。
我今天还得去复诊。我想无论老人还是孩子，还是我们自己，看来去医院除非是什么“大病要死了”，还得想办法积累家里附近的好医生，好诊所，最好24小时的诊所电话留个底。
[ 本帖最后由 loushenghong 于 2008-8-26 10:16 编辑 ]
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医疗条件这么差？
感觉比上海差的不是一点点啊，虽然态度不好，总归给看病的。
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记得以前在哪里看过一个报道，澳洲号称是世界上医疗投入占国民产值比例最高的国家，local人都以医疗制度健全而自豪。不知道是习惯不同还是什么原因，我感觉除了这里大病不花钱比较好，看普通的病实在没法恭维。排队时间长，诊疗费的自付部分和药费比较高，没有任何保险cover看病的费用。国内的医疗体系对农村比较残酷，单说大城市，澳洲没有一点比得上国内的大城市。
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字字句句道出了俺的心声！
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Glen Waverley 是在悉尼吗？
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no that's in Melbourne
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注册一个FAMILY NET SAFETY 还是有一定帮助的， 当你一年的费用达到LIMITIT 时，就只需要附应付POCKET MONEY 的 20%， 省很多。
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我公婆和我说现在他们不管生什么病,只要掏开始的1000快左右,相当与我们这里的EXCESS FEE把.以后的费用都给报销 80%,连药费都包括的.不知道光北京这样还是全国的大城市都这样,如果真的这样,澳洲的医疗真的不是落后一点点
[ 本帖最后由 高西西 于 2008-8-26 12:27 编辑 ]
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看病花一些钱也还可以接受,就怕花钱了什么也检查不出来就郁闷死.
这里的牙医就是HORRIBLE来形容的,我在北京的口腔医院附属医院检查,洗牙,补了3颗总共才花了300多.在这里我本来想给老公做根管治疗的,结果想花钱人家还没着技术做,麻药也大了,什么都弄了,最后说做不了,最后还CHARGE了不少钱,NND,真不是一般的郁闷
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这是个什么DD?
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this is very useful info. esp. for those living in the waverley area
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北京的确是这样的，我也听父母讲过。而且部分农村现在也有很多进展，每年交几百，看病可以报销大头。从大城市开始，慢慢的经过20年，只要国家持续的发展，有钱做这件事，就一定能成体系的。
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刚刚去了又回来了。
打了一针吗啡。唉。。怎么就感觉自己是病入膏肓了呀。
医生语重心长地用中文跟我说：其实呢，中国的医疗系统是跟苏联学的，就是医院，区级，市级，国家级，急诊，门诊，住院等等。
澳洲，英国，美国都是一样的，都是90％家庭医生看病。当然这些也得靠时间积累，积累好的，方便的，特别是24小时的就诊电话。澳洲这里的医院就相当于中国的医院的住院部。
你说当然头疼，闹热，哪怕是你感觉要死的毛病，是基本不会给予入院治疗的。
看过医院排队的一个小朋友，下巴裂开一个大口子，从下午6点排队到夜里12点啊。才给缝的针。一开始那个血流啊流啊。。护士给喝一个什么东西，血止住了。
唉。。想想其实什么医疗系统应该都是一样的。只是我们还没有摸到规律而已。这次病看下来，我感觉吧，要是在中国生这个毛病，估计没有5千块是出不来了，80％都是不必要的治疗。这里的医院不给你治疗，不是不重视你，而是觉得你没有关系的。
我今天跟那个医生说：the hospital won't treat until you are really dying.
医生说：That's not correct. they don't treat you because they think you are not dying.
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谢谢你的经验,很有用,祝早日康复
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Waiting game: Children waiting for heart operations are (bac, left to right) Chrysoula Petras, 8, Kevin Innes, 8, Makayla Tyrrell, 8 months, Brodie Guy, 22 months, and (front) Julian Michielin, 10 months, and Lincoln Brunton, 8 months.
今天的《Herald Sun》头版头条。
400 children forced to wait for heart surgery
August 26, 2008 12:00am Article from: Herald Sun
THESE are the children crying out for heart surgery after being left in limbo because Victoria does not have enough intensive care services.
Each week, six Australian children are born with heart problems requiring operations to save them or give them a chance to actively take part in life.
More than 400 children are on waiting lists for cardiac surgery in Victoria, with one angry mum saying "it's just not good enough".
Between them, (clockwise from top left) Chrysoula Petras, Kevin Innes, Makayla Tyrrell (on his lap), Brodie Guy, Lincoln Catlin and Julian Michielin have had 19 operations cancelled since June.
Up to 60 operations were cancelled at the Royal Children's Hospital last month because there is nowhere for them to recover.
The hospital has some of the world's best heart surgeons ready and waiting to treat the young patients.
But the lack of intensive-care beds means the operations cannot proceed, prompting families to demand the State Government immediately fund 10 additional beds and recruit and train enough nurses to operate them.
After turning blue and being rushed to hospital on Sunday night, eight-month-old Lincoln was upgraded and booked for a major operation this morning.
With surgery already cancelled six times this month, his mother Penny Brunton was not surprised when the hospital called last night to tell her it was off again.
"We have the best surgeons you can get and they just can't do what they are supposed to be doing," she said.
Last Friday, all cardiac surgery was called off.
Last month, a 10-day-old boy with breathing problems became the first child in 14 years to be sent interstate because all of the state's pediatric intensive care beds were full.
The Royal Children's Hospital has 17 intensive care beds that must be supervised 24 hours a day by specially trained nurses.
But emergency cases have forced scheduled operations to be cancelled, especially on cardiac patients, who account for 45 per cent of intensive care occupants.
The hospital's chief of surgery Dr Leo Donnan said the problem was finding intensive care nurses to staff beds.
"Urgent and emergency cases are having to take precedence on our elective," he said.
"We are trying to milk every ounce out of this system at the moment to ensure there is no one left behind and there is no child at risk."
The number of complex heart patients being sent to the Royal Children's from interstate has increased 80 per cent since 2001.
The Australian Medical Association believes Victoria needs another seven pediatric intensive care beds – costing $1 million a year each – and wants another eight neonatal intensive care beds, costing $1.5 million a year.
HeartKids Victoria president Scott Reinke said 10 ICU beds needed to be reserved for cardiac patients.
"It is not about waiting for the new hospital. It is past critical point now," he said.
"We need at least 10 more ICU beds immediately, with trained nurses."
In a June email leaked to Opposition health spokeswoman Helen Shardey, the Department of Human Services asked Victorian hospitals to treat children in adult intensive care beds, ignoring established policies.
"Following discussions with the Royal Children's Hospital and Monash Medical Centre, we have been asked to convey to CEOs the significant pressure that PICU services are experiencing," the memo states.
"As such, your health service may be asked to care for a patient under 16 years of age in your adult intensive care unit."
Health Minister Daniel Andrews' spokesman, Jason Frenkel, said the RCH's intensive care unit treated 1400 children a year, with one in five coming from interstate.
"With an international shortage of pediatric ICU nurses, there are sometimes limits on the number of ICU beds that can be safely opened," he said.
"However, the Brumby Government has significantly increased the state's neonatal and pediatric ICU capacity from 52 beds in 2000 to 72 beds in 2008.
"We are building a brand new $1 billion state-of-the-art children's hospital with the capacity to treat an extra 35,000 patients every year.
"There will be an extra 21 ICU beds at the new Royal Children's Hospital."
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I know it's the same in my place - a small town in middle China
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我家在一个小县城，爸妈都退休，也是这样
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祝loushenghong早日康复，另外给个那个glen 诊所的电话吧！这样以后即使远一点，也可以跑过去看一下的，谢谢．
[ 本帖最后由 audittoo 于 2008-8-26 16:57 编辑 ]
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我感觉吧，要是在中国生这个毛病，估计没有5千块是出不来了，80％都是不必要的治疗。这里的医院不给你治疗，不是不重视你，而是觉得你没有关系的。"They don't treat you because they think you are not dying"
Good point !!!
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这个肯定是记错了。在OECD国家里，美国是医疗投入占GDP比值最高的国家。澳洲是最有效率的几个国家之一，投入相对少(占GPD比例小），但是人均寿命长。
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中国看病主要是各项检查的费用贵。谁知道头疼脑热是小病还是大病引发的。因为医生不能确定。所以有时要通过各项化验看结果。难道澳洲的医生是神医，怎么一下子就知道病情没关系，要是误诊了怎么办
[ 本帖最后由 fly1 于 2008-8-26 20:51 编辑 ]
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检查费用只是一小部分，主要还是药费和手术中用到的器械比较贵。
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说得对，说看着不严重绝对不能成为耽搁治疗的借口
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其实我觉得在澳洲老年人如果生大病还是比国内省很多的，朋友父母移民过来以后老人得了肾衰，现在在家天天透析，所有的医药费用都是政府出的，我想如果在国内如果家里有个透析的病人不知道要花多少呢！而且现在国内很多说是报销，但是一旦生了大病要用进口药就说不再报销范围内，用不用让你自己决定，其实是挺坑人的！
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不管在哪里，钱是硬道理。
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