版主大人的支持，写个贴供大家娱乐。希望版主大人加分不手软
车板的斯B我相信大家喜闻乐见，看看笑笑，参加一下讨论，热闹一下。
车皮薄厚，德国日本，你来我往。。。
另一个帖子，或者很多个帖子，都有同学引用jdpower的数据。
---JD Power 出来好久了，每次新的一年出报告， 国内基本上所有大专媒体都有转载报道， 那么问题就来了，上头条真的这么容易吗，汪峰觉得累诀不爱。
因为时间有限。找一些文章供大家评论。本人务实派，喜欢思考一些问题，但是不黑，也不喜欢黑。好车我都喜欢首先说明。
---现在Google， baidu这么发达，信息很流通，随便搜一下。就知道jd power是不是公正的，既然不公正，结果能好用吗？现实却是残酷的，结果很好用啊。。。至少我觉得。
--- 首先国内部分，可以先参考一下。
J.D.Power被爆数据造假 经销商花钱买排名
http://auto.163.com/12/1105/07/8FHI7QTE00084IJH.html
知乎上一个问题： 中国有观点独立于政府和厂商，评价体系客观科学的汽车媒体（或评测机构）吗？
参看hong Go 的答案。太长我补贴出来了。
http://www.zhihu.com/question/24781473
亮点：2011年JDP亚太联合通用做了一次调研，通过4S店为车主下发调研问卷，赠送50元话费如果全部填满意，还可以获得300元抵价券。你在逗我？一个权威媒体拿着权威主机厂的钱做一份权威的可靠性排名，给特么消费者看？
你当消费者是傻逼吗？
×× JDP的样本漏洞， 自己看笑话。
----国内的不够，现在国外部分 ，注意很多文章有IQS的批评。
首先有时间的可以看看jdpower 和 consumer report的不同。看看不同的公司的不同。
首先，这个文章很醒目啊。
Who Exactly Is J.D. Power?
http://mentalfloss.com/article/27225/who-exactly-jd-power
这个文章里面有jd的创始人是干啥的，及其一点历史。
Starting a market research company in your kitchen sounds like a longshot, but within a year Dave Power had convinced Toyota to buy his market research, and other large companies like Carnation soon followed. By 1981, the firm was conducting its U.S. Automotive Customer Satisfaction Index Study.
大家看看最后一段
WHERE’S THE MONEY IN THESE RANKINGS?
According to a 2004U.S. News and World Report profile on the company, the auto rankings aren’t really all that lucrative. Automakers and other companies pay a licensing fee to use the awards in their ad campaigns, but the bulk of the firm’s revenue comes from selling its market research to curious companies. The survey rankings we hear about on TV are just a tiny portion of the data collected in the customer surveys, and the rest is placed in corporate hands.
This business model enabled J.D. Power himself to cash in for a nice chunk of money. In 2005 publisher McGraw-Hill acquired J.D. Power and Associates for an undisclosed sum. Although the name J.D. Power and Associates most frequently appears in car ads, the company tracks all sorts of industries, from healthcare to banking to telecommunications.
生意就是要赚钱，jd 做的很好。把自己还买了个没人知道的好价格。
这还不够做判断， 纽约时报开八，有时间大家自己读：
Why Consumer Reports and J.D. Power Are So Different
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/ ... -so-different/?_r=0
提出很多质疑。 有时间也可以看 comments：摘选一个。
Well, the same reason the Annual Consumer Reports Auto Buying Guide and Annual Motor Trend Magazine Top 10 Cars are different": MONEY.
当然，也有技术派提出jd的methodology的问题。
TrueDelta questions quality of JD Power methodology
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/02/ ... -power-methodology/
大家慢慢看，欢迎不同意见，欢迎加分。
本文没有结论，喜欢用jd 数据的可以继续，没人拦得住，喜欢黑的继续，没人拦得住。大家开心就好
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呵呵，在石雕公司做过，所谓的数据，呵呵吧，不同艹法得不提结果。
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jd power键盘车神们的葵花宝典！
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键盘车神每天鼓吹的神车 SUBARU 原来质量这么差啊， 宁买CRV 不买 FORESTER
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纯粹瞎操心。。
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jd power 当然没有4大名人可信
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是那四大？我就知道一讨论丰田，就有一只兔子和一只狮子出来猛吹
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jd power可信不可信不知道 不过除了本田谁敢跟丰田比不修
其他不管啥系就都差不多了 除了那几个有名的特别差的除外
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操控您懂吗？
B越深、操控得越high :-)
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Toyota is a joke
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至少杰迪.宝尔国内的报告是完全不可信的
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我在国内同时开本田雅阁日产天籁和奥迪A6L， A6是公司车。奥迪彻底摧毁了我对德国车的信心 奔驰宝马属于躺枪的
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当年很多公司已经反证了jd power的调查可信度，记得BENZ好像还是最积极的一个，最后还反证出jp power连资质都不完备，结果搞得jp power不得不辩解说我们的调查结果只是给汽车厂商参考的，不是给消费者的。所以，每当坛子有人振振有词的引用jd power的，我就呵呵了。
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怪不得奔驰排名上去了，
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狮子我知道，兔子哪位？
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一个兔子头照片的大哥，捧丰田比狮子火力猛多了，总结就是技术最先进，产品最耐用，你看看哪些帖子就知道了。
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JD Power和Consumer Reports最大的不同是前者向车厂收钱后者向车主收钱，谁穿谁的裤子不言而喻
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这个joke不错啊，近年已经超过通用和大众，产销量全球第一
看来这个joke的认可度还是蛮高的。
如果算到澳洲市场，澳洲人还真特别喜欢这个joke。
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丰田的车本来技术就很落后。
差的是那些胡乱吹捧的键盘党。
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那不叫落后，那个叫选用成熟可靠的技术，经过验证的
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我真的怀疑这位大哥是位懂中文的日本人，对丰田太痴迷了。
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好吧，你们相信别的品牌比丰田更加reliable
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Consumer reports里面大众也是烂：
Worst of the worst used cars
These models, listed alphabetically, are the worst of the worst. They have multiple years of much-worse-than-average overall reliability, based on 2004 through 2013 models, according to our Annual Auto Survey. Each one has at least three model years of reliability data.
BMW 330i, 335i
GMC Acadia
Buick Enclave
Jeep Wrangler (4-door)
Buick Terraza
Kia Sedona
Chevrolet Cruze (1.4T)
Mercedes-Benz GL-Class
Chevrolet Uplander, Venture
Mini Cooper S
Chrysler PT Cruiser
Mini Countryman
Chrysler Town & Country
Nissan Pathfinder
Dodge Grand Caravan
Saturn Outlook
Dodge Journey
Saturn Relay
Dodge Ram 2500 and 3500 (diesel)
Volkswagen CC
Ford F-250 and F-350 (diesel) Volkswagen GTI
Ford Fiesta Volkswagen Tiguan
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好吧，我去看了一下，consumer reports是这么写2015结果的：
到这里你会发现最好和最差，都是我们从别的report里知道的同样那几家。
Think of reliability and road-test performance as a dating couple: often seen together, but not always. That’s the way it can be with cars, too: A top score in our tests doesn’t mean a car will be reliable; conversely, reliable cars can—and do—score poorly in our road tests.（注意这是一个试车感受加上预测可靠性的结果，yes，是混合而且带主观因素的结果）
To take full measure of how the automakers stack up, our brand Report Cards provide a composite of the average road-test score and predicted reliability across their lineup. The overall scores show which automakers get it right in performance and reliability.
This year Lexus again topped our list, thanks to very good road-test performance and solid reliability across the board. Next up was Mazda, which is all the more impressive because half of its models have been introduced or redesigned within the past three years. Rounding out the top five were Toyota, Audi, and Subaru.
Buick’s improved reliability helped it take top honors among all domestic brands for the second year running. In addition, it moved up several spots in our overall rankings, even passing Honda.
Our Annual Reliability Surveys have found that redesigned models often come with teething problems. Mercedes-Benz was the biggest loser, taking a major hit due to a drop in reliability from several models and the low-scoring and unreliable new CLA. Acura and Infiniti also fell from grace. Acura’s once-stellar reliability has declined in recent years, and the unimpressive RLX redesign fell short in our tests. Infiniti is an example of how one low-scoring and unreliable model—here, the new Q50—can hurt a carmaker with a small lineup.
The Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, and Fiat brands all scored near or at the bottom, the result of poor reliability and a variety of new or redesigned models with low road-test scores.
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然后看看上一年，你是在说，他们调查出来的结论，和另外那家是一样的么？
那么区别在哪里？
http://pressroom.consumerreports ... 8d0854953970c-popup
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欢迎这些讲道理，摆事实的帖子。
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区别在奔驰和奥迪，哈哈
奔驰被美国产的suv严重拖累了
还有奥迪肯定不计算烧机油为缺陷，因为dealer送了每个客户一桶机油回家自己慢慢加。
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在某些人眼里，采用可靠技术就是技术落后
无论什么事情都有两面性，就看你想吹捧哪一面
你懂了么
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The point is假如有那么多理由，结果不是应该很不同的吗？
难道丰田一边真的很可靠，另一边花钱买了一个很可靠的排名？
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