基本更新完毕,价格,优势什么的还会慢慢更新~
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Hipod Molly & Max Dual Stroller
Steelcraft strider plus 4
Steelcraft strider plus 3
Steelcraft strider compat
Bebecare rverse xlr stroller
Baby jogger city select
Phil&teds
Phil&teds Vibe/verve
Phil&teds Navigator
Phil&teds classic
Phil&teds DOT
Phil&teds Promenade
Phil&teds S4 inline stroller
mountain buggy +one
iCandy peach blossom
iCandy peach blossom twin
iCandy Apple 2 Pear Twin Tandem
开此贴是为了分享一些lz选double stroller 的亲身经历,也希望有需要的妈妈不要像lz一样走弯路。
本来lz怀老二的时候,一直觉得没关系,不用买double stroller,让老二坐推车,老大走着就好了,结果老二出生了之后,就发现悲剧了,老大死活不肯让弟弟做推车,有一段时间,出门都是背着老二,推着老大,累死了!!(事实证明这个方法只适合于有个懂事的乖宝宝老大)
但是这个时候lz还没有意识到要买double stroller,因为lz还很天真地想在原本的推车前面加个toddler seat就好了,结果一问,toddler seat只能搭配同款stroller或者pram使用,不适用于所有的婴儿车!!可是,lz还是没有放弃,前面加不了,在后面加总行了吧,不过不是toddler seat,是老大可以站在上面的踏板,这下踏板可以安上了,但是lz忘了lz有个及其懒的老大,人家就是不肯站啊,嫌累,死活要坐推车!!
前面加toddler seat,后面加踏板
这个时候楼主才真正意识到要买double stroller!!
首先lz碍于经济条件的限制,看得都是那种两三百的前后式的double stroller,为什么不是并排的那种呢,因为lz平时出门还是要依靠public transport,就怕并排的那种进出入门不方便啊,所以马上被否决了。
并排的double stroller
然后lz就准备选那种前后式的了,就是老大做前面,老二躺后面的那种,带着两个孩子去试了以后,发现老大坐前面,老二躺后面,这下不用那么幸苦了,可是问题又来了!老大重啊,这下车子的重心全跑到车的前面去了,直推的时候没问题,转弯和上坡的时候还是累啊,所以这种也被否决了。
前后式的double stroller
接着只能寻找上下式的了。无奈上下式的价钱上了一个档次,只能从里面挑一辆便宜的了。(那个时候只顾着价钱的问题,完全没有考虑其他,后面就又悲剧了)
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首先就是令lz杯具的那辆。。来自target的。。
Hipod Molly & Max Dual Stroller
Product Features
Compact fold to fit into the boot of your car
Designed to comply with Australia and New Zealand standard AS/NZS2088 "Pram and Strollers - Safety Requirements"
Extra Info
Weight 20.5 kg. Height 100 cm. Width 66 cm. Depth 100 cm.
Suitable from:
Top Seat: Birth up to 20kg (approx)
Bottom Seat: Birth up to 17kg (approx)
FEATURES INCLUDED
Exclusive to Target Stores
4 different configurations from a single seat stroller to double
stroller, forward-facing to rear-facing
Includes dual seat
Reversible top seat with 3 recline positions
Both seats feature removable arm bar and adjustable footrest
Large under seat storage accessible form all sides
Large expandable canopy with sun-visor
Compact fold to fit into the boot of your car
Full recline backrest for a newboarn or sleeping toddler
One-link brake - one push and the brake locks both wheels
Padded seat insert and shoulder pads on harness for extra
comfort for your child
Front swivel wheels for better manoeuvrability, locks into place if
travelling over uneven surfaces
Designed to comply with the Australian and New Zealand Standard
AS/NZS2088 "Prams and Strollers - Safety Requirements"
楼主当初在target网站上看到这辆的时候觉得499的价钱还包括下面的toddler seat,比起前面的至少要5,6百只有辆主题,没有toddler seat,真是划算,更何况那时20%,只要399,来自想都没想就买了,运来才发现,加上toddler seat,整辆车的重量有20.5kg!没错,比我家老大还要重!当我家两个孩子坐上去的时候,那个重量。。。加上平时lz要推着这辆车去坐火车,坐巴士,去买菜,去shopping,下面的篮子还要放东西!!
终于楼主用了这辆车半年不到,左后轮刹车坏了,怎么个坏法呢?就是松开刹车的时候,左后轮的刹车不能松开,但是右后轮没问题,而且lz那天在shoppingcenter里,车又推不动,只能扛着车回家!还好,有一年的warranty,target也肯退全款,只是lz又要物色新的double stroller了。
其实这辆车还是有可取之处的,就是它大部分的功能和steelcraft 一样,想买steelcraft的,又像lz一样囊中羞涩的,但是不介意重量问题的tx还是可以考虑一下这辆的。顺带提一下,这辆只有target online有售,instore也没有,online还经常sold out
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等更新
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LZ 两个孩子相差多大
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等更新。我也在为这个苦恼
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Lz先把几种澳洲世面上常见的上下式double stroller列出来给大家比较下
1.Steelcraft
他家上下式有三款:steelcraft strider plus3,steelcraft strider plus4,steelcraft strider compact
如果有tx研究过欧洲的double stroller的话,会发现其实steelcraft的这几款就是一个欧洲牌子britax的b ready的澳洲版,基本和b ready一样,compact比plus3/4来的轻和窄,有时候去一些人多的地方不会那么不方便,这也是lz最后选compact的原因,而且这三款都可以连着toddler seat一起折叠,一般的double stroller都要先拆了toddler seat才能折叠
Steelcraft strider plus 4
参考价格:
一般plus4的原价是699,最近toysrus和babyco,mybabywarehouse都有特价
http://www.toysrus.com.au/strider-plus-4-stroller-in-black_1181243/
http://babyco.com.au/twin-stroller/steelcraft-strider-plus-3-wheel-stroller-silver-9102002-2.html
http://mybabywarehouse.com.au/baby-prams-strollers/steelcraft-strider-plus-stroller-black.html
Features:
-3 position reclining seat
- 99% UV protection mesh Sun Shade - Accommodates Second Seat for second child
- Baby Travel System Stroller accommodates an infant carrier
- Bassinet available separately
- Boot cover suitable for stroller or second seat
- Cushioned Baby Insert for additional comfort
- Designed to comply with “Prams and Strollers – Safety Requirements” Australian and New Zealand standard AS/NZS2088
- Easy fold with or without seats (main and second) attached
- Fitted with ‘Safety Tether Strap’ and Red brake
- Front and side access to storage basket for when child is in the Second Seat
- Full PVC (phthalates free) weather shield
- Suitable for a child from birth to 20kgs
- Interchangeable seat and bassinet
- Large Canopy to provide shade
- Large shopping basket with front and side access if second seat attached
- Peek-a-boo viewing window
- Quick release front and rear wheels
- Removable reversible seat for mother facing baby or baby facing forward
- Storage pouch with pockets and 2 large drink bottle holders
- Up to 15kg child in second seat and the stroller will stay firmly on the ground
- Wheel guards to protect child’s fingers
- Includes stormcover
- Travel System compatible to fit Infant Carrier (sold separately)
Weight&dimensions:
Suitability: Birth to 20 kgs
Folded dimensions (frame only without wheels & wheel guards):
L83cm x H24cm x W53cm
Folded dimensions (without second seat):
L83cm x H34cm x W70cm
Folded dimensions (with second seat):
L93cm x H37cm x W70cm
Assembled dimensions (with and without second seat):
W70cm x L92cm
Main Seat
Inside Seat dimensions - backrest height 52cm x width 30cm
Second Seat
Inside Seat dimensions - backrest height 52cm x width 30cm
Weight
Stroller Frame - 9.8kg(4 wheel) & 10.5kg(3 wheel)
Stroller Main Seat - 3.6kg
Stroller Total (does not include accessories) - 13.4kg(4 wheel) & 14.1kg(3 wheel)
Second Seat (does not include accessories) - 2.9kg
Folded length
(without Second Seat)
83cm
Folded Length
(with Second Seat)
93cm
Folded Width
(with/without Second Seat)
70cm
Folded Width
(with/without Second Seat)
70cm
Folded Height
(with Second Seat)
37cm
Upright Height
120cm
Wheel base Length
(with Second Seat)
90cm
Length
(with Second Seat fully recline)
117cm
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Steelcraft strider plus 3
plus3和4基本一样,最大的分别就是一个是三轮,一个是四轮,但是plus3锁前轮的方式和plus4不一样,4是直接在轮子上面有个按钮可以锁,3是在把手旁边有个扣可以锁
参考价格:
plus3原价也是699,一般plus3和4会一起打折
http://www.toysrus.com.au/3-wheel-strollers/strider-plus-3-stroller-in-black/w1/i3880364_1373966/
http://babyco.com.au/twin-stroller/steelcraft-strider-plus-3-wheel-stroller-black-9102001-2.html#.U9nE-_mSw20
http://mybabywarehouse.com.au/baby-prams-strollers/steelcraft-strider-plus-3-stroller-black.html
Features:
3 position reclining seat
99% UV protection mesh Sun Shade
Accommodates Second Seat for second child
Baby Travel System Stroller accommodates an infant carrier
Bassinet and Baby Comfort Footmuff available separately
Boot cover suitable for stroller or second seat
Cushioned Baby Insert for additional comfort
Designed to comply with “Prams and Strollers – Safety Requirements” Australian and New Zealand standard AS/NZS2088
Easy fold with or without seats (main and second) attached
EVA wheels with air pocket for softer ride(除了这个前轮的分别之外其他和plus4都一样)
Fitted with ‘Safety Tether Strap’ and Red brake
Front and side access to storage basket for when child is in the Second Seat
Full PVC (phthalates free) weather shield
Includes boot cover
Includes storm cover
Interchangeable seat and bassinet
Large Canopy to provide shade
Large shopping basket with front and side access if second seat attached
Peek-a-boo viewing window
Quick release front and rear wheels
Removable reversible seat for mother facing baby or baby facing forward
Storage pouch with pockets and 2 large drink bottle holders
Up to 15kg child in second seat and the stroller will stay firmly on the ground
Wheel guards to protect child’s fingers
Suitable for a child from birth to 20kgs
Travel System compatible to fit Infant Carrier (sold separately)
Weight&dimensions:
Suitability: Birth to 20 kgs
Product Weight: 14.1 kg (approx.)
Folded Dimensions: without second seat L 83cm x H 34cm x W 70cm (approx.)
with second seat L 93cm x H 37cm x W 70cm (approx.)
frame only without wheels L 83cm x H 24cm x W 53cm (approx.)
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Steelcraft strider compat
compact与plus3/4最大的不同就是重量和size比plus来的轻和窄,鉴于之前target那辆的20kg,lz怕了,所以这次选了轻一点的compact
感谢cicillx 同学告诉lzcompact有新版了,楼主去babybunting看了也问了sales,新旧版的区别就是轮子
NEW - Soft outer rubber wheel, inflated with lightweight foam instead of air. This ensures that the tyre provides a smooth ride and won't experience punctures if used frequently on rougher terrain
注意轮子
价格参考:
compact原价一般是799或749,最近也有打折,不过lz是之前babyco 599的时候入得
http://babyco.com.au/twin-stroller/steelcraft-strider-compact-stroller-red-9107003-2.html#.U9nGdvmSw20
http://www.babybunting.com.au/steelcraft-strider-compact-stroller-black.html
http://mybabywarehouse.com.au/baby-prams-strollers/steelcraft-strider-compact-stroller-black.html
lz在google新款的时候发现了最新低价,572.98,不过是nz网站,超39免运,但不知道送不送澳洲
http://www.baby.co.nz/product/out-about/strider-compact-with-foam-filled-wheels/15665
Features:
Slimmer & lighter design(与plus3&4最大的不同)
Stroller suitable from birth to 20kg
Travel System Stroller - accommodates the Strider Compact Bassinet, Strider Compact Second Seat & up to 2 Steelcraft Infants Carriers
NEW 'dual bearing' wheels offer a smooth & manoeuvrable ride
Quick release wheels with one touch brake
Pivot handle with centre steering
Reversing Seat with three recline positions
Large canopy with viewing window
Large shopping basket with front and side access
Front lockable swivel wheels
Padded head cushion
Reversible padded insert for extra comfort for baby
Removable storage pouch with pockets & 2 large drink bottle holders
Adjustable foot rest
Full PVC (phthalates free) Storm Cover
99% UV protection mesh Sun Shade
Boot Cover - suitable for Stroller or Second Seat
Easy fold with or without seats (main & Second Seat) attached
Designed to comply with Australian ans New Zealand Standard AS/NZS2088 "Prams and Stroller Requirements"
Weight&dimensions:
SUITABILITY
Stroller Seat: Birth to 20kg (approx.)
Second Seat: Birth to 17kg (approx.)
Bassinet: Birth to 9kg (approx.)
Steelcraft Infant Carrier: Birth to 6mths (approx.)
FOLDED DIMENSIONS
Stroller (without Second Seat): L82cm x H34cm x W62.5cm (approx.)
Stroller (with Second Seat): L93cm x H37cm x W62.5cm (approx.)
ASSEMBLED DIMENSIONS
Main Seat (inside seat dimensions): H56cm x W30cm (approx.)
Second Seat
(inside seat dimensions): H52cm x W30cm (approx.)
Bassinet: L87cm x H42cm x W59cm (approx.)
WEIGHTS
Stroller Frame: 9kg (approx.)
Main Seat: 3kg (approx.)
Total Stroller: 12kg (approx.)
Second Seat: 2kg (approx.)
Bassinet: 4kg (approx.)
Steelcraft Infant Carrier: 3.75kg* (approx.)
*car seat base not included
VIDEO PROMO
INSTRUCTIONAL VIDEO
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太有用了!坐等更新
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2.Bebecare rverse xlr stroller
这款和steelcraft差不多,但是上面的座位可以变成bassinet,变成bassinet的同时,坐下面的孩子空间就小了,虽然有配套adaptor,但楼主觉得还是挺挤的。在店里试的时候,觉得它好像没有steelcraft来的稳,推起来有声音,鉴于之前的经历,楼主怕它会散架,也不考虑整辆
价格参考:
前几天还看到toysrus在清仓这辆,现在找不到链接了,记得他们清仓的价格好像是半价,300多,secondseat也半价,只找到second seat的链接
http://www.toysrus.com.au/twin-strollers/bebecare-rverse-xlr-toddler-seat/w1/i1670775_1181254/
Product Features
Length 117 cm
Width 64.5 cm
Height 107 cm
Folded length 115.5 cm
Folded width 64.5 cm
Folded height 45 cm
Seat positions - stroller / bassinet : convertible position layback - strap operative
Reversible seat - rearward facing and forward facing baby
Reversible seat pad - fabric and fleece
Large adjustable and extendable hood
Viewing window on hood
Swivel lockable front wheels
Cable linked rear brakes with separate release pedal
5 point safety harness with quick release shoulder straps
Adjustable foam handles with multiple positions
Compact flat fold
Removeable bumper bar
Raincover included
Sunshade included
Bootcover included
Harness protectors included
Materials and Composition
Aluminium
Extra Info
Age suitability: birth to 17 kgs. Weight 14.16 kgs | Weight limit 17 kgs.
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3.Baby jogger city select
其实lz也很心水city select的,两个seat都一样,还可以随便变换方向,两个孩子可以面对面坐着,互相打闹(但是如果两个孩子都要躺下的话,只能两个seat都面对妈妈了)seat下面孩子放脚的地方可以调节,把手也可以调节高度,适合不同身高的爸爸妈妈,遮阳棚可以拉得很大,而且遮阳棚的小窗户掀开的设计是用磁铁的,这个我很喜欢,但是价格真的是土豪级的。。rain cover还要另外买,只能放弃了
价格参考:
city select的原价一般是949,babybunting最近有打折到799,toysrus有bundle deal,主体加second seat只要992.98
http://www.babybunting.com.au/baby-jogger-city-select-pram-black-1.html
http://www.toysrus.com.au/i7516631
有tx建议可以去nz的网站网购,免运,也保修
http://www.winkalotts.co.nz/city-select-buggies/
Features:
Over 16 unique combinations, including two car seats or two bassinets - ideal for twins
Add the Glider Board (sold separately) to accommodate up to three children
Multiple recline positions while facing forward or backward.
Adjustable footwell and canopy height allow you to adjust your seat size.
12" forever-air quick release rear wheel tires and 8" lightweight dual front quick release wheels
Front wheel suspensions and sealed ball bearings with a swivel lock
Suitability: 20.5kg
Stroller Weight: 12.5kg
Assembled: 110.5cm x 65.5cm x 98cm
Folded: 83cm x 65.5cm x 31.5cm
NOT INTENDED FOR JOGGING
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4.Phil&teds
Phil&teds也是有几款double stroller:vibe/verve,navigator,classic,dot,,s4 inline, promenade
几款的各种比较
phil&teds的double stroller有一个很特别的地方就是可以在后面安个freerider stroller board,
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Vibe/verve
这两款其实算是同一款,和steelcraft strider plus3/4一样,区别在于轮子
The vibe stroller is HOT!
because:
premium & stylish aluminium stroller frame
plush, luxury fabrics for the ultimate in comfort
23 riding options to best suit your family
rear facing functionality using double kit
attach 1 or 2 car seats using vibe car seat adaptors
compatible with freerider stroller board using connector 2
main seat accommodates children comfortably up to 105cm / 41.3"
add a double kit to accommodate a 2nd baby
one hand double kit seat recline
double kit sun mesh for shade & privacy included
easily adjustable 5 point safety harness
follow-the-sun sunhood with flick out sun visor
large parcel tray to accommodate 5kg / 11lb of baby gear
one touch handle brake
auto-locking frame for a safe fold
compact stand fold to 66cm x 31.5cm x 86cm, with or without double kit attached!
lightweight at just 13kg / 28.6lb
easy kerb pop for added convenience
adjustable, 6 position handle height
durable & easy to clean plastic footwell
3x 12 inch, air-filled wheel for cruising on any terrain
The verve stroller is HOT!
because:
premium & stylish aluminium stroller frame
plush, luxury fabrics for the ultimate in comfort
23 riding options to best suit your family
rear facing functionality using double kit
attach 1 or 2 car seats using verve car seat adaptors
compatible with freerider stroller board using connector 2
main seat accommodates children comfortably up to 105cm / 41.3"
add a double kit to accommodate a 2nd baby
one hand double kit seat recline
double kit sun mesh for shade & privacy included
easily adjustable 5 point safety harness
follow-the-sun sunhood with flick out sun visor
large parcel tray to accommodate 5kg / 11lb of baby gear
one touch handle brake
auto-locking frame for a safe fold
compact stand fold to 66cm x 31.5cm x 86cm, with or without double kit attached!
lightweight at just 13kg / 28.6lb
easy kerb pop for added convenience
adjustable, 6 position handle height
durable & easy to clean plastic footwell
2x 12", air-filled rear wheels and 2x 7", EVA front wheels with suspension for cruising on any terrain
还有就是它可以有23种模式
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Navigator
这款最大的好处就是可以自动停下来,不用踩刹车,在把手的地方有一条类似刹车的东西,推的时候要和把手一起握着才能推,松开手就自动刹住了
Your navigator stroller is HOT!
because:
auto stop braking system: safe & convenient
26 riding options to accommodate 1 or 2 newborn babies up to 2 toddlers
rear facing double kit option
attach 1 or 2 car seats using navigator car seat adaptors (car seat adaptor to attach a 2nd car seat not available in all markets. Check availability where you are! )
cleverly engineered 'kerb pop' for ultra light handling
lightweight at just 12.5kg and 59cm narrow
one hand fast fold & automatic frame lock
easy adjust tail-free 5 point safety harness with shoulder pads for comfort
multi height adjustable handle with comfort foam grip
premium fabric
deeper, taller & easily removed main seat
seat back length: 64cm
multiple seat positions from lie flat for a newborn baby to fully upright
follow-the-sun hood with handy storage pockets
one hand double kit recline
moldable neck support on double kit (sold separately) for a younger baby
large shopping basket
12” air filled tyres
durable & easy clean plastic footwell
2-mode front wheel for multi terrain: swivel or lock straight
26种模式
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差两岁九个月
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家里有一辆steelcraft双人推车,通常是大的坐下面还是小的坐下面?下面的座位视野不好,老大会不愿意吧,小的放下面舒适么?尤其刚出生的
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classic
这款相比phil&teds的其他double stoller没有什么优势,应该是phil&teds最原始的double stroller
Adapt to take 2 inline™ with the classic double kit : for newborn to two toddlers - one buggy, loads of years
Slimline & lightweight: (620mm/24.4in x 11kgs/24.3lbs)
The classic ™ stroller is HOT!
because:
phil&teds double inline stroller functionality at an outstanding price
slim & lightweight
suitable from newborn to 6 years or maximum weight limit of 20kg
adapts to take 2 (newborn & toddler or two toddlers) with the classic double kit (sold separately)
maximum weight limit in double kit on front: 20kg / 44lbs, and on rear: 15kg / 33lbs
globally safety certified
one hand fast fold
folds with classic double kit on front
large parcel tray
cup holder ready
follow the sun sunhood with flipout sun visor
adjustable handle
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很想知道LZ 最后选了哪个?考虑的因素是什么? 另外如果有价格参考就完美了!!
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大的小的上下都可以坐,我比较喜欢把小的放上面,然后把座位对着我,这样我可以看到他的一举一动,大的坐下面也方便去超市的时候他自己爬出来去看东西
如果你把大的放上面,小的放下面,最好把上面那个座位里面的垫子也放下面,让小的睡得舒服些
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因为价格的原因,我选了target的一辆类似strider plus的,但是重,而且才几个月刹车就出问题了,还好target肯退,下面会详细说明,现在选了steelcraft strider compact
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多少米?楼主觉得双人的有必要吗
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target网站原价499,楼主在之前打折到399入的
双人婴儿车有没有需要还是要看你家老大,像lz家的老大,一点也不肯让弟弟坐,那是非常有必要的,不过楼主也有朋友的老大超懂事,lz朋友出门推一辆普通的婴儿车就够了
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DOT
DOT compact double stroller is HOT! because:
so small, fully featured AND inline - adapts to take 2 with the DOT double kit !
slimline at just 59cm narrow
one hand fast fold to ultra compact 76 x 59 x 26cm
full sized seat with 3 position recline, including newborn-perfect lie-flat position
seat back length: 60cm
suitable for newborn to 5 years old (or maximum weight)
ventilated seat performance system
complete with seat liner in multiple colour options
tail free, easy-to-adjust harness
sleep-ideal, one-hand double kit recline
large sunhood with flip-out sun visor & peek-a-boo window
easy on-off pedal (foot) brake
nifty 10 inch pneumatic wheels for all-city terrain
plastic, wipe-clean footwell
multi-position & easy-to-adjust handlebar
snug™ baby carrycot & car seat adaptor compatible
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Promenade
Adapt to take 2 inline with the promenade double kit . From newborn baby to two toddlers: one buggy, loads of years
Slimline & lightweight: (64cm/25" wide x 13kg/28lbs as single or 16kg/35lbs as double)
It's HOT! because:
convertible flat bed seats - turn your seat and/or double kit into a flat bed for newborn and back again
rear or forward facing seat - baby can face you or the world
adjustable footrest - adjusts to your childs height and comfort
one hand adjust triple-recline main seat and double kit , from upright to sleep-ideal layback
extendable sliding handle for your comfort
removeable flexible bumper bar - move your child in and out of the buggy with ease
sunhood with zip-out mesh extension for air circulation and maximum comfort
airless tires with front wheel suspension - smooth undisturbed travel
globally safety certified
car seat adaptor compatible (with car seat) - availability is country dependent
newborn to four years, maximum seat load 18kg / 40lbs, maximum lie flat bed load 9kg / 20lbs
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LZ 这真是长帖啊 ....
我家二宝马上要出生了, 大宝用的是 valco rebel air, 现在买了一个toddler seat 放在上面~因为二宝还没出生所以还没实践过
lz 评论下这个搭配如何啊, 如果不好的话我就把toddler seat 退了重新买个双人的
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S4 inline stroller
It's hot...
The buggy that grows with your family! phil&teds is the originator of the inline buggy; your s4™ single buggy
(for 1 newborn baby or child) can adapt to become a double buggy (for 2 children). Fancy that!
fuss-free 3 wheeling' fun!
7 different configurations for one or two children
slim & lightweight for use on & around different terrain
The s4™ is compatible with navigator™ buggy accessories and can be used with the snug™ baby carrycot (sold separately).
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这款lz没见过。。
但是从google上面搜的图片来看,toddlerseat好像只能放前面,等老二大了之后可能会阻碍到老二的视线,而且老大累的话在上面睡也不怎么舒服
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谢谢回复~ 我去看看你最后选的那个 steelcraft strider compact 去~
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请问楼住在自己的原有的推车后面加踏板,是所有的类型都可以加吗?这个要去哪里询问和安装呢?谢谢
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