看了隔壁的帖子,有些想法。
我觉得在澳洲,所谓的Gifted孩子,有是肯定有,但大多数其实都是一般般吧,主要是功课太少,加上英文又比中文可以更快的掌握,家长上心点的孩子多学一点知识,不上心的多玩一点,多收获一些动手经验,属于自娱自乐型吧。跟国内的Gifted根本比不了。
说实在的,对于两岁小孩能读哈利波特我持保留意见。这本书不单单是词汇难度,还有文化背景,人际关系,社会伦理,各种阴谋暗算,历史,科学幻想,很多东西不停留在文字表面。在故事情节无法驾驭的情况下,一个两岁的小孩会有兴趣阅读吗?爸妈要讲故事会挑这样的故事讲吗?要想让孩子明白,就要不停的补充解释,两岁的孩子得有多大的耐性才能认真听下去?如果不想让孩子明白,那家长在做什么?拔苗助长吗?
另外我认为在澳洲跳级真没必要,跳级的含金量比天朝大打折扣。这里教育体系跟天朝不一样,没有大量纷杂的功课要完成,所有的孩子也没有那么大的升学压力,课业松松快快的为的是给孩子机会体验更多的直接经验,发展自己的爱好,提高童年的生活质量。图省事的家长反而利用这一点,把孩子的时间拿去学习以后的课业,不知道怎么想的。
我觉得凡是家长,都会希望孩子一生幸福,那么就要对孩子童年幸福和成年幸福的均衡发展负责。过多的考虑孩子成年以后的幸福而放弃他们眼前的幸福不是孩子一生的幸福,弄不好还会给孩子弄点童年阴影啥的。
如果孩子真的对教学大纲特别感兴趣,非常执着的研究跳级,我想我也一定会尽量支持。但我不会因为我的心理活动和喜好去引导孩子向这方面靠拢。
毕竟兴趣才是一生持之以恒的动力,孩子童年时把自己说服认认真真的立个志向才是正根。而这个志向必然是由兴趣引导出来的,而兴趣大多数时候只是来自一个刺激而形成的模糊冲动的感受,可遇不可求。这也是为什么澳洲虽然人口少但是仍然在各个行业都要世界级的顶尖人物。
现在国内也渐渐开始有类似的意识了。
记得前一段时间有个国内某领域杰出教授招研究生,首轮考试结束以后,他面试了前几名,最后把名额留给了第三名的学生。舆论大哗,认为有暗箱操作。教授出来解释,他说我和几个学生见面只轻松的拉了拉家常,比如以后有什么愿望啊,对学科有什么建议啊等等,考分一二的学生很明显的更热衷于自我的发展,这样的学生我见过,后来一旦有机会升迁就会放弃研究,他们的主要目的是改变生活现状,而我其实只是一个跳板而已。
第三名的那个学生不一样,他一谈论学术的话题就兴奋,其他的问题都没有准备,没怎么仔细想过,我看他目前虽然分数不是最好的但是日后估计会把我的心血研究继续传承下去。
很多家长对孩子的分数要求其实也是这样,目的是改变生活现状。但是我相信最终获得更大成功的应该是那些为了兴趣锲而不舍的人,他们不仅更有可能成功还往往能从中得到乐趣。
总言之,我建议家长多引导孩子确立志向,创造机会,很多时候相亲会都搞不定的问题借半块橡皮没准就能搞定。直奔主题的容易心理设防,因为有了预设值,从其他话题切入的反而会轻松。
当然,想成功运气不可少。你看着对面走过来的美女可能会撞到电线杆子,可是如果你认真的看着电线杆子可能会撞到美女,不过不可控的事情就随它去吧。
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楼主的娃是真天才
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2岁的那个娃,真的是不需要父母讲。当然父母讲过的,一遍她就可以一字不差的复述。我之所以相信是因为孩子爸爸是很低调的人,他很少说自己的孩子,但是他是诚实的品格高尚的人。虽然我也无法理解2岁怎么看。我家娃7岁了还在看简单书呢。
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还想多说一点,有关跳级,我家老大呆过三个学校,有两个都无人跳级。第三个学校她年级就有两个娃是跳级上来的,一个跳了一年,一个跳了两年。其中一个娃的妹妹也跳级了。我想可能不同学校政策不同。但是跳级的娃,和别的娃也没有代沟,我女儿觉得她们很好很棒,也没有我们想的年级小social的烦恼。PS:女儿年级跳级上来的两个娃都是西人
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两岁能读哈里波特的,肯定不是父母硬教出来的,应该是父母读书时自己学会coding,自主读,但不会完全读懂。读不懂他也是个gifted,甚至profoundly gifted。这种孩子是生出来得,父母估计都没有经验教,普通娃家长就不要操心了。
家长们来对号入座吧
1. Level One
•These children show interest in many things before they are even two years old - like colors, saying the numbers in order, and playing simple puzzles.
•Most of them are good talkers by age three, and by four, many print letters and numbers, recognize simple signs, their name, and know most of alphabet.
•By the time they are six years old, many read beginner books and type at the computer, and most read chapter books by age seven.
•It is not unusual to find six to eight Level One children in an average classroom, children who are nearly always a few steps ahead of what the teacher is teaching the whole class.
2. Level Two
•These bright children love looking at books and being read to, even turning pages without ripping them, by 15 months. Some shout out the name of familiar stores as you drive past.
•Many of these children know lots of letters by 18 months and colors by 20 months, and between ages three and four, they count small groups of objects, print some letters and numbers, and they very likely drive their parents crazy with all their questions.
•They’ll sit for what seems like hours as you read advanced level books, especially fiction and fantasy, to them, but they require a bit less of your time by age six, because most of them read for pleasure and information on their own by then.
•Level Two children can find only one or two others in their classroom who are as advanced as they are, which starts to make it hard to find good friends.
3. Level Three
•They’re born wide-eyed and alert, looking around the room, reacting to noises, voices, faces.
•They know what adults are telling or asking them by six months. You say a toy, pet, or another person, and they will look for it.
•Everything Level Two children do by 15 months, these kids do by 10 to 12 months, and they can get family members to do what they want before they are actually talking.
•By two years, many like 35+ piece puzzles, memorize favorite books, and know the entire alphabet – in or out of order!
•By three years old, they talk constantly, and skip count, count backwards, and do simple adding and subtracting because they like to. They love to print letters and numbers, too.
•They ask you to start easy readers before five years, and many figure out how to multiply. Divide, and do some fractions by six years.
•Most of these children are a full two to five years beyond grade level by age six and find school too slow.
•There are one or two Level Three children in every 100 in the average school. They are rarely in the same elementary class and can feel very, very lonely.
4. Level Four
•Level Four babies love books, someone to read them, and pay attention within a few months of their birth.
•They are ahead of Level Three children by another 2 to 5 months while less than two years old.
•They have extensive, complex speaking by two years, and their vocabularies are huge!
•Most of them read easy readers by 3½ to 4½ years, and then read for information and pleasure by age five, with comprehension for youth and adult level books at about 6 - 6½ years.
•There are about one per 200 children in the average school. Without special arrangements, they can feel very different from their typical classmates.
5. Level Five
•Level Fives have talents in every possible area. Everything is sooner and more intense than others Levels.
•They have favorite TV shows before 6–8 months, pick out letters and numbers by 10-14 months, and enjoy shape sorters before 11 months.
•They print letters, numbers, words, and their names between 16 – 24 months, and often use anything that is available to form these shapes and figures.
•They show ability with 35+ piece puzzles by less than 15 months and interest in complex mazes before they are three.
•Musical, dramatic, and artistic aptitudes usually start showing by 18 months.
•Most speak with adult-level complexity by age two.
•At two and three-years-old they ask about how things work, and science – particularly biological and life and death questions – emerge.
•They understand math concepts and basic math functions before age four.
•They can play card and board games ages 12 and up by age 3½ to 4.
•They have high interest in pure facts, almanacs, and dictionaries by age 3½.
•Most read any level of book by 4¼ to five years.
•They read six or more years beyond grade level with comprehension by six years and usually hit 12th grade level by age 7 or 8.
•We know they occur more often than once in a million and regular grade school does not work for them. Levels Three through Five score similarly on ability tests—very high.
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谢谢分享。很赞同。其实都是别人家的故事,自己的孩子能够健康开心成长,如果还能成绩不错有点特长,性格再好点,已经是天大的福气了
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OMG哪个娃2岁读Harry Potter?
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level 1 to 3的还是很多的。也就是我们眼里聪明娃,level 5 只是传说里有。
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两岁读懂哈利波特不是gifted,而是妖精
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I with you
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Mediocre 学个词!
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level 1 我觉得好像是常态,周围大部分娃都这样。总的来说,我觉得某个人说的有道理,在我那个帖子里,就是移民的孩子,本来也是基因上就在比较高的水平,所以感觉聪明孩子多一些
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请问楼主,小孩自控力差,把游戏当最大兴趣,有什么办法能够消弱游戏的影响?
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掐掉呀。家长下不了决心不能指望孩子自律
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这不是想培养一下嘛,马上要上high school 想着让他自己管自己!
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你会失望的。小学都管不了,中学更不行。根本不听父母的。
要么按照隔壁打游戏帖子里说的,跟孩子一起玩
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或者说他们所能获得的快乐和我们世俗所说的快乐不一样。
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说句难听的,真正gifted的似乎都不大正常,起码看起来如此,所以有个身心健康的普通娃是最大的福气。
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天才是老天派来拯救人类的
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同意你说的。
gifted 孩子容易抑郁,因为他们的感受太多,信息量太大,对于小孩来说很难接受消化。
前两天还在跟我老公闲聊说,我们常说“聪明可爱”,其实我觉得傻萌的才可爱。聪明的孩子会很有趣但不是可爱。
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我家姐姐完全符合level4里的,有极强的求知欲,不懂就问,得空就看书。两岁说话三岁阅读,现在四岁多快五岁基本所有儿童书都能念下来。哈利波特也能念,但估计不理解。我家弟弟快三岁,目测level 1的水平,什么都不想学,问什么都是I don’t know,然后就跑。总之一个纯学霸一个纯学渣,再过十几年,我估计能出本书。
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兴趣所在和天赋所在,未必是同一个。
见过有的天才对专业毫无兴趣,但学术上却很轻松达到相当高度。
这样的人,不给他发挥天赋的机会而去追逐自身兴趣所在,何尝又不是一种悲哀。
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一般来说兴趣和天赋都会是比较一致的。比较擅长的事,自然会更有信心,更激发兴趣。
如果不一致也没关系。我一直认为最快乐的人生就是从事自己喜爱的职业。累一点也不会觉得苦。
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我家的是Level 6
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天才孩子万里挑一。
剩下9999个家长就是吃瓜群众。
咱不操那个心。。
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2岁读哈利波特也不需要完全读懂,有兴趣读完才是神奇。就像每个人心目中都有自己的哈姆雷特。就算同一本射雕20岁读30读感悟肯定是不同的。关键是能读下去,那么厚的七本都读完了,那多少是有孩子自己的理解的。
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天才 靠天生
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我家老大现在十一岁,诊断是高功能自闭症,儿科专家跟我说就是亚新波哥综合征,但是亚新波哥不可以诊断了。他的心理学智商报告显示天才的地方在流体推理,英文应该是fluidreasoning,98%,总体95%。虽然不是很懂这个是啥意思,但是我知道他是搭lego的高手,很小就对图形感兴趣,但是有严重的缺陷,我感觉就是脑回路有问题,经常很高兴的一件事最后搞的一家人都很难受,还有嗅觉也有问题,不能分辨香味跟臭味,都是一样的味道。还有吃东西好像也尝不清楚味道只能分辨基本的酸甜苦辣。但是老二就完全不一样,性格开朗,沟通轻松,而且记忆力出色,单词可以过目不忘,感觉两个孩子智商应该差不多,但是老二没去测试过,我反正觉得养一个老大等于养三个老二花的经历。所以也许真的天才都是与众不同的
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Harry Potter本人
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