各位父老乡亲,叔伯娘姨,兄弟姐妹们, 不知道现在是买投资房好呢,还是managed fund好. 我看这里有好多人都买了投资房的. 请各位大虾指点指点,还有谁有找过financial planner的?有用没?
我要攒钱!!!!!
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投资这个东西因人而异,关系到偏好,资金大小,风险承受能力等等。至于这里买投资房比较多,我想主要原因,一是亚洲人包括华人比较喜欢买房子,看着踏实,感觉保值。第二其实也是因为买投资房的技术门槛比较低,如果你问买投资房的问题,估计有一大堆的人可以回答或讨论一下,要是问这些managed funds,参与和了解的人就会少一些。
至于financial planner,以我的猜测这里大多数同学是不找的,因为大家分成两类,一类是对投资不太懂行的,觉得找planner太复杂,也搞不清问什么作什么,另一部分是有不少高手自己分析投资,所以也不会去找planner。:)
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谢谢patric,本来我很犹豫是不是要回这个帖子。。。担心误导了LZ。既然patric开了头我也说点。
其实managed fund是不错的长期投资方法。我一直都推荐大家用dollar cost averaging(定期定量投资)买蓝筹股或是股市指数基金。这是最容易的长线投资方法。技术水平也最低。
投资房的杠杆比较高,而且可以摸得找看得见。再差还能自己住。所以中国人多喜欢投资这个。
financial planner,这个问题就复杂了。。。到目前为止我还没有碰到让我满意的。。。
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我在国内就一直买定期定量的基金,主要给父母做储备,因为父母不懂理财,老是不舍得花,把我给的钱存银行,结果就拿那1.%-3%利息.后来我改了,一半给他们,一半买了定投.他们就不存了,基本把我给的一半花了,剩下一半2年来翻倍了.当然因为入市早,所以赶上中国去年发疯的股市行情.在开始回落,我抛了大部分的定投给父母存起来,但是还是同以前一样坚持每月投入固定的数额,那么如果行情再起,投资回报还是可以的.
我选择的定投是养老型的,比较平稳,毕竟是给老人做储备基金,不急急功近利的回报的.
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老妖要不开个帖子详细介绍一下?
论坛上买房的帖子很多,对很多人“安居”帮助很大。但关于其他方面的投资理财扫盲帖还是少了些(有的几个讨论帖感觉都是高手专业帖,新生也看不懂 )。毕竟,除了买投资房以外,还有很多投资手段是值得考虑的。
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牵涉到扫盲帖我就要先给自己扫盲一下。。。
越是基础的就越难写。
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中国不少银行的网站有很多介绍定投的,因为这种形式也是从国外银行体系引进,所以内容基本类似这里的实际情况.
据我个人理解,定投一般就是看长期的.,所以银行一般提供选择的产品都是比较平稳增长型的.我选的养老型就是其中一种,如同人的生命走势, 在该基金的生命周期前期比较多投资高风险高型的,然后逐渐向平稳回报转移,而且因为是长期投资,每期固定买入,就可以平均购买价格,降低风险.这样的基金抗跌能力比较强
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看来中国基金和澳洲基金不一样。
[ 本帖最后由 黑山老妖 于 2008-5-21 15:50 编辑 ]
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看来是老妖对自己的要求比较高,不到100%确认的,就怕写出来误导大家。其实也没所谓了,就当是“扫盲加讨论”,像维基百科一样,大家慢慢修改更新,最后就OK了。:)
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上次写投资房我看了好几个星期的资料,头都晕了。
现在还是怕怕的。。。
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说到亚洲人的买房偏好,我有个贷款客户是韩国人,在这里大学教经济的,收入不错,买了N套投资房。我介绍了一个financila planner跟他聊聊,planner建议他可以用一部分equity作些其他投资,毕竟投资房有维护成本等。最后他跟我说:谈了以后收益蛮大,开阔了眼界,但是他还是决定继续买投资房,因为做惯了。
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这就要批评了,作为斑竹,能不能写是能力问题,偷懒不写就是态度问题了
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听大家的说,是觉得投资房还是最容易掌握的,但是关键是投资房的资本太大了,我不想给自己太多的压力。俺可是上有老下有小的。况且趁年轻还想再吃喝玩乐几年呢。不过话又说回来,如果现在不投资,到时候怕来不及。
诶,听听自己,怎么有点又要马儿跑又要马儿不吃草的感觉。。。
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总觉得,我家两人交了这么多税,年底一点都退不回来,心里很不平衡.
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投资房不容易。投资基金还是一样可以负扣税的。
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'financial planner,这个问题就复杂了。。。到目前为止我还没有碰到让我满意的。。。'
老妖版主啊,这句话怎么说?是没有碰到个好的financial planner, 还是没人用过?
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银行免费赠送的我觉得不满意,好的太贵我也请不起。。。
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哦?!!! 是吗!请问可否解释一下?我以为如果managed fund赚了,那可是算taxable income的,那不是又要缴税了吗?
(谦虚的坐在小板凳上)
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用margin loan或是房屋抵押贷款的LOC炒股/买基金利息可以扣税。
一般来说利息会高过分红。
如果贷款利息现在是8.7%,分红可能才5%。这里面的息差就可以退税。而且如果你的股票/基金有franking credit,你可以省下不少税款。
股票不卖就不用缴CGT(和投资房一样的道理)。
基金看它如何操作了,有些基金很少有变化(不用经常交易)这样分红里面capital gain比较少,dividend比较多。这种基金比较好。股指和蓝筹基金通常属于这一类的。
还有些基金内部股票交易量高,很多capital gain,这样的基金不是tax effective。这种多数是active fund,hedge fund之类的。
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每个人在自身每个阶段的投资需求不同,刚刚起步基数小的想博大,有了基础的想求稳
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老大,看来我不是一点点小白啊!!现在才理解高人前面的一句‘到目前为止我还没有碰到让我满意的。。。’!!!
如果找finanical planner,他们回很详细的解释和介绍那些好的基金吗?我现在才觉得可能要花点钱找个好的,再让他们帮我攒钱。您老看呢?
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银行的financial planner几乎都是sales。只想推销自己家的投资产品。中立的financial planner就是太贵了。没有十几万也不划算。。。
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十几万? spare cash? or equity?
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Well, I think my last post is a bit misleading. Let me clarify a bit more.
A financial planner can specialise in a number of areas, such as: investment advice (could be equities and derivatives or commercial/industrial/residential properties), estate planning, super/retirement planning, insurance, business etc etc. Or they can specialise in a number of the above areas.
If you are looking for insurances then you just go to a insurance specialist and they will probably not charge you an upfront fee but any insurance you buy they will get a trailing commission.
If you are looking for investment advice then I suggest you have at least over 100K to invest and go for an independent investment specialist otherwise it's not worthwhile. FPs employed by banks are mostly sales persons. They will do a simple statement of advice for free, but they will push only their banks' products. Not what I would call prudent advice. Most of the financial planners only do equity investment advice as they traditionally get their income from trailing commissions. Property investment doesn't pay trailing commission... So it's hard to get someone who can provide investment advices on all aspects of investment.
If you are looking for estate planning please do so. That will cost from a few hundred and up. But it's probably worthwhile to do it with insurances. That way you have your back covered in all aspects and maybe save a bit of money on up front fees.
I hope this doesn't confuse you too much...
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真正好的financial planner要懂得:
Tax
Superannuation & retirement planning
Wealth & remuneration planning
Loan
Social security
Insurance, especially life insurance
Investment (share market & property market, includes property trusts)
Estate planning
Risk management
每一个方面单独拿出来,成为专家就很不容易,何况也懂得所有的?!
所以我同意黑山老妖的话,好的financial planner真得很少.
[ 本帖最后由 Artcore 于 2008-5-22 11:44 编辑 ]
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我k!!
I never realized it is this complicated.
My situation is really quite simple, we are doulbe imcomed family (with pretty decent pay cheques), not a lot of mortgage and looking to
1. reduce tax
2. invest
3. make money from exsisting money (might be too much to ask, but that is the least of the priority)
In my opinion we pay way too much tax, and as we grow older, our salary will increase and will pay more tax.
From what was said, it doesn't seem to have a point to see a financial planner, unless we use part of our mortgage repayment to play aroud with, and if we do get a planner, it will be in the field of investiment.
Based on the above understanding, would you say that managed fund would be a better option then?
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在没有看过你的经济情况的前提下:用你的LOC去买managed funds可能是最简单的,但是未必是最适合你的。
注意:This is not a statement of financial advice. I am not qualified or in the position to make any financial advice. I can not be held responsible for any potential loss of income or financial losses.
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hahaha! 版主, don't worry, I understand. Really appreciate your help and time!! At least I now understand the what is involved. but I wonder if anyone has ever taken what you said about investiment and financiallyl literally?
you know what they say:
common sense is surprisingly uncommon.
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Yes, common sense is very important. When investing it's important to remember that we are not above average. We must not think too big of ourselves. Don't try to act as if we are above others. Simple.
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btw, just of curiousity, do the finanical planners need a license? if so, would you know what that license is called in order to practice? Cheers.
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