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Retired couple mortified after dream South Auckland home on-sold for extra $530k
老“谢”，好样的，两周挣50多万。还说本来想自住，可是办不下来贷款。。。哈哈，反正我是信了
A retired couple who sold their dream home for nearly $2 million to a young family were mortified to learn the buyers immediately on-sold the property for half a million dollars more.
"My poor husband doesn't even want to talk about it, he's devastated," Dianne Millar told the Herald.
"It is absolutely galling. We feel foolish. We feel stupid. I think that's the hardest thing to get over because nobody likes to feel like that."
Millar and her husband built and landscaped the sprawling four bedroom, four bathroom property on Redoubt Rd in Flat Bush, where they lived for nearly 15 years.
Zhenfeng Xie and his wife Jessy Li visited the property with their children last year to collect a Trade Me purchase. They told Millar and her husband they loved the house and wanted to buy it for their family.
It was not on the market, but the pensioners decided to downsize and free up capital to help their own family.
They obtained a valuation then negotiated a price of $1.95 million and sold privately to Xie and Li in July, with settlement to occur on January 27 this year.
Xie and Li told the couple they planned to live in the house with their extended family from China.
But in February, just two weeks after settlement, Millar received a call from her sister-in-law saying the house was on the market.
Shocked, Millar attended an open home. The house was empty and just as she had left it. But a bunch of flowers she had bought for the purchasers as a welcoming gift was displayed on a bench.
Millar eventually learned the property had been on-sold through First National for $2.48 million - more than twice its capital valuation - giving Xie and Li a $530,000 windfall.
The on-sale is yet to settle and the new owner is unknown.
Millar said she and her husband felt like "suckers" and in hindsight wished they had used a real estate agent.
The extra money could have helped their daughter, who was moving out of Auckland, into her own house.
"We could have done so much with that extra money to help our families, and our families do need help."
Millar had tried to be "philosophical" about the on-sale, because it had been so upsetting.
"Otherwise you would just be consumed."
Li told the Herald she and her husband had intended to live in the house but had trouble raising finance and were forced to sell.
She felt bad about what had transpired but had not set out to profit on Millar's home.
While the mark-up was more than $500,000, their actual profit was "not huge" after paying capital gains tax, agency fees and steep interest payments on loans.
"I don't want to upset Dianne but ... we can't lend the money.
"We tried our best and tried so many ways."
First National agent Raymond Kwan said his vendors were very happy with the $2.48 million sale price, which he described as fair.
The buyer was a New Zealander who would "possibly" live in the property.
- NZ Herald
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Not bound by the law cuz it was a private sale
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这个房子我去看过，open home时没有家具。当时查成交记录的时候就觉得很奇怪，因为离前次成交的时间太近了,原来这后面有一个这样的story。
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这个故事前几天有个中介在这说了。
只能怪原房东两口子没有做好市场调查。要是新的这对华人没卖掉这么多，他们估计就不会这样了。可能买时的理由有点欺骗的意思吧，但是这个交易彼此同意的价格，没什么好酸的了。我以前做过2手货生意，收货时都会给个假理由经常。没人会告诉你是倒卖的，那样卖家心里肯定不舒服知道自己卖便宜了。
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大部分老年人都让中介卖房，炒家很难捡到便宜只会拍贵！这老年人私卖给华人，自己有问题，当然也是被华人的花言巧语骗到了，这华人能力强啊，能忽悠住洋人也是能力啊。
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后面的跟帖都蛮正常的
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看完的第一反应是，这华人不厚道。
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这个吗人之常情。放你身上，有这种机会50万不赚吗？而且又不违法。只能说买家对市场太熟悉了，利用信息不对称赚了钱。没有道德因素我觉得。当然可能是他的说辞让人觉得有欺骗，但是哪怕这人不卖，旁边邻居不如他的房子几周后卖250万，这对原房东同样也是不能释怀的。只是那样的情况他们连去媒体倾诉的机会都没有。只要没有人胁迫这笔交易，就没问题。不过这房东也是正常人，赶上不正常的，估计每准会说老年痴呆犯了，签字时并非本人意愿等等，每准还要打官司呢。
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50万我会心动，但是不会赚这样的钱
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那在下只能是对您表示十分敬佩了。
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这类报道一定拉仇恨。
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洋人卖房不做市场调查吗？
现在附近成交记录都随便看，卖的价格一定是满足了自己的心理价位的，找中介估价又不要钱，只是没想到别人卖的更高。
这里中介最高兴，好几万中介费到手。
政府也高兴，十几万的税，原房东卖，政府拿鸡毛啊。
原房东也应该开心，卖到自己的心理价位了，今年的行情可不比去年，不信再卖卖。
华人房东牛逼，啥也没做，两周赚三十万，高手啊，胆子大。
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真是有够恶心的，利用了这对洋人屋主的善良，我觉得这对洋人屋主应该是很富裕的，也不在乎被倒卖的华人买家多赚了50万，如果他们真要卖的多一点那就找个中介什么的卖掉就好。
但是他们心里肯定觉得被欺骗了，还很用心的准备了花给新搬进来的屋主结果发现是个骗局。就像你捐了点钱给人以为自己做了件好人好事结果发现对方只是个骗钱的主，肯定心里会不开心。
这样一报道出来肯定又是对华人的形象大打折扣。
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这个例子确实也是华人干的。主要是不知道其他的人种有多少也这么干。只是感觉华人一直都是被某报纸针对的。
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不知道，洋人有一部分是挺天真的，也可能是自己懒。当然50万不是小数目，多数人都会觉得自己是sucker吧？不过也没事，俗话说每一分钟都会有一个sucker诞生，所以敢敲门问的还是有便宜捡的。其实很多中介应该也是这么拿到listing的吧。
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这就是针对华人的偏激报道。CV 1.125M 卖给华人1.95M. 当时是16年7月。 溢价73% 这么高的溢价洋人老头当时可能高兴得睡不着觉了吧？哪里知道华人买家经过市场运作在短期内又赚了不少钱。这其实就是眼红嫉妒。自己没本事卖高价，眼红别人赚钱。
当今是信息社会，谁掌握了信息谁就赚钱。老人家对信息的确不敏感，那就应该按部就班的找牛逼中介卖啊？为什么不找呢？省中介费？其实还是自己的问题。先驱报就是断章取义制造矛盾！
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后来那个华人找的好像也不是什么牛逼中介吧？哈哈，如果找牛逼点的，比如那个老在这个版块得瑟的那个什么分行第一的，可能还能挣更多。。。哈哈
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确实是，这样的行为就像国内以前去乡下收古董一样，骗的成分很大，最后的结果只能是看到这些人就讨厌，就是赝品都不敢卖给这些人了，所以以后看到洋人说华人是骗子，可不要说是种族歧视就好，这些都是一点点积累的仇恨
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华人哪里还有好形象？骗福利的， 明目张胆炒房的， 搬空超市的。。。。虽然是一小部分人做的， 但大家都要跟着受害
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明白人！ 其实洋人老头已经找到valuer做了估价，当时这个价格完全是公平合理的。
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哎呀 这个洋人夫妇人是非常好的, 人家肯定有原因才卖房, 但是这是人家隐私就不说了.
Valuer 的report 和中介一样的 都是一个 educated person providing market information
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既然私卖了，又找了估价师做了估价，就没有什么好抱怨的。不过这个华人夫妇好眼力。
这是给私卖的上了一课。
其实各个种族的人都有炒房子的。市场上也有很多公开收购房子的。
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中介的appraisal 敢跟valuation 相提并论也是醉了。
人家Valuation 银行认呀。。。
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是真的好眼力。Valuer的眼光经常是有问题的，大概方法套路的原因，造成思维定式，反而不如随时了解市场的资深投资者判断力好。有的时候给的价钱，no way你能从市场上买到的。当然他们为银行服务，保守是应当的，主流的。但是卖家自己要头脑清楚才行。
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哈哈 你没卖过房子不知道
Valuer还是要保护银行利益的,出太高了会造成银行的不满,甚至银行不用他了就.
中介的认证很多地方比valuer准确太多了, valuer本身做report的时候, 也是电话中介咨询周围房价得出的结论.她在为我房子估价时候周围房子都是我卖的,全部价格都是我打给她做出来的valuation.
我在Dannemora 带买家直接买了房子就是敲门得来的. 你可以查到的.隐私问题就不多说了, 大体上是婚姻解体男方出具房产值90多万的 valuer report 银行认证. 女方又出了Valuer report是 125万. 双方不肯让步,女方当然不肯,立刻让我出中介估价, 我估价130-140万, 这个估价被带到法庭作为辩. 法院提出要三家大公司一起出具, B H R 三家office 出的都是专门Dannemora 的中介,得出的结论都是130万以上. 法院判定130万以下不允许出售.
最后我直接带买家 135万买下.
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"房产值90多万的 valuer report 银行认证"
这家公司有没有被吊销执照？
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一句话概括就是
割人韭菜笑嘻嘻，被割韭菜妈卖批
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这个我信你说的对。
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还有一个是....Valuation Is Only Valid On That Date